Absolute Moral Authority

Because plain old moral authority just wasn’t good enough — a mesablue production

Do u haz a brane relijun?

Posted by mesablue on July 2, 2007

I usually hate this kind of Mensa circle jerk thought game. But, since the right side of the blogosphere contains an interesting mix of atheists, agnostics, religious types and cthulhu worshipers — and since this is the sort of thing that also gets people pissed off at each other — I thought it could be fun.

Ignore the strangely skewed wording of the questions and have at it.

Or not, I really don’t care.

1. Imagine that every person on earth not already an atheist
suddenly became one today. (Take a breath, now. This is just a
gedanken experiment.) What are some of the more significant ways this
would impact your life?

2. Does it matter, and how might it matter, whether most people
adopt a robust, historically and philosophically informed, rationally
arrived-at atheism vice a sudden and perfectly simple lack of

3. Say people ceased believing in the existence of any god by simply
having all their memories of their religious instruction and theistic
beliefs deleted. If they are otherwise of the same nature as they
are now, would belief in a god or gods emerge again?

4. After your emotional ringing (the “holy shit!” factor, your sheer
astonishment at the disappearance of belief) dampened down to neutral
affect, would you have occasion to talk about a god?

5. What do you think some of the political ramifications might be?
(e.g., would governments have to deal with an increase in illicit and
immoral activity? A decrease? Would the government move to the left
or the right? Toward authoritarianism or personal freedom?)

h/t some guy named Tad


4 Responses to “Do u haz a brane relijun?”

  1. THz said

    1. I am already atheist, so I guess more people would just be joining the party.
    2. No. People generally follow the majority opinion (hence organized religions strength). So likely if everyone’s thinking the same way, and the media is portraying the same ideas, then I think general acceptance will spread.
    3. Belief in god(s) emerged to explain the unexplained questions. Modern science can explain a lot, but there are still some unanswered questions (pre-big bang, after-death) so there’s a potential for that to happen.
    4. No more than I already do.
    5. Most likely illicit/illegal activity would lower (based on statistics like: http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm – less than 1% of US prisoners are atheist). Atheists have at least as high of moral codes as any believers, we just draw ours from our own reasoning and lives. Governments might move toward more personal freedom with the loss of competing religions (since religions wouldn’t promote their biased agendas) (I’m thinking we’d get less fundamentalist regimes). Politics might lean to the left, but only since fundamental/conservative values tend to be very tied into religion (or vice versa).

    Those are mainly just my opinions though, what are yours?

  2. There was someone who did a good job of summarizing the absolute nature of god.

    Even the old testament acknowledges that the god of abraham was not the one and only god, because somewhere in the ancient past all the “house gods” were destroyed before abraham or was it isaac? Also, when facing pharoah Moses called on his god, and he in fact called god “my god” to challenge the visiers of pharoah, and the gods of egypt existed because the visiers could create miracles, it was just that moses god was greater.

    St Patrick is acclaimed with miracles that weren’t necessarily miracles, but more along the lines of performing “good” miracles, in the face of “bad” miracles performed by other pagan worshipers who called upon their gods, once again proving, within internal dogma that the judeo christian god is not the “one true” god, but rather the “biggest baddest” god among a list of other gods who are fighting you.

    Thats one of my problems.

    I really don’t care about faith of people, I care about the treatment of others by people.

    A good person is a good person no matter how I feel about their particular faith.

  3. carin said

    1. Well, I’d have a bit more free time on Sunday. I’d also have a bit more money. And, I’d have a crap load of books and old clothes (which I give to Christian charities.) I’d also lack out an outlet for “good works” – which are sponsored by my church. Damn Christianists.
    2. Duh,yes. I would say that there is a danger in nihilism in the one case.
    3. Yes, I think people who create a faith. I think that can be seen in those raised w/o a tradition of faith, who “find” something or other to believe in. I’m sure a bunch of David Koresh’s would emerge.
    4.That doesn’t make sense. If I became an atheist, why would I talk about god?
    5. Well, given that some of the worst governments have been religion-free, it doesn’t bode well.

  4. coogan607 said

    I’m tempted to go “dude, what?” but if you’re sincere …

    1. Not at all.
    2. Should be “via” and not “vice,” but vice is nice, too. In answer to the question: no.
    3. Sadly, yes. Some branes just need majix.
    4. No “holy shit” would have occurred. But you are talking hypothetically, right? And, no, I have no use for invisible magical beings.
    5. Re: “given that some of the worst governments have been religion-free, it doesn’t bode well” — uh, let’s not forget the religious governments, too. Good and evil aren’t constructs of religion, so they exist outside of it. We have an intersection of two axes, and governments fall in all quarters. I see equal suckage.

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